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User talk:Aquelia

2007-09-26T22:16:48Z

Sixtyonesix: /* Mission Template */

== Mission Template ==
It looks like it was changed just a few hours ago, according to the history. I hope I'm not expected to change all of those missions to the new template, that would be more than 20 hours of work wasted.

EDIT: What was wrong with the old template anyway?

Sixtyonesix

I'm just chiming in because I saw this in the recent changes log, the new template is kind of fugly when compared to whats been done with the old one. [http://wiki.bluegartrls.com/index.php?title=Promathia_Mission_1-1&diff=next&oldid=24381] --[[User:Apelila|Apelila]] 22:24, 25 September 2007 (CDT)

I figured I'd chime in too (cross-posting to mission template discussion), this is another case of a style guide being called a template and being used where we would want a template. If this were a full template, edits to the layout that don't change variable tag names would have a net effect of automatically changing all pages that use the template; so there wouldn't be a need to explain or do work with original contributors if we decide to make a style change. I'd be happy to make the changes and then go backfill all the current missions with the template if we can get it unprotected. (alternately, I can make the changes and we'll just encourage people to use the template going forward)--[[User:Amele|Amele]] 11:41, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

:Yes, I had all the missions complete, minus a few details here and there like locations of NPC's and things like that. I don't play Final Fantasy anymore and I haven't for quite some time, so finding pretainant information takes me a bit longer.

:The last comment Goddess made on my talk page came off as "I don't care what you think, I've already told my daddy so nya!" and it pissed me off. There was plenty of room on the old template for relevant pictures throughout the body of the article, and I'm sure there was plenty of room at the top of the page as well. I don't know how other people feel but to me it's rather irritating to be confronted with huge, unneccesary graphics when I'm looking for information. They just make the page load slower and create even MORE work from the need to upload the pictures to fill the void. Maps and diagrams are one thing, but huge pictures at the top of every page is unneccesary, and since I removed all the content from the pages I already created, there is another burden for some to take on.

:So now, people that search for COP mission info are going to be presenting with one giant boring box at the top, after the page finally loads from having a huge picture on it. Sounds like everyone loses the battle that could have ended with clicking one silly (Undo) link on the mission template page, or just leaving well enough alone to begin with.

:[[User:Sixtyonesix|Sixtyonesix]] 17:16, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

==Show Preview==
Jezus.. that's some edit count. Since all changes are saved to the database, please use the "Show Preview" button to check your edits, and save them when you're sure of your edits. Thanks! :) {{User:Goddess/Signature}} 20:54, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

Mukyaaa D: sorry ><;; (attempts to include timestamp but sucks at it so /fails)

Aquelia: four ~ in a row adds your signature :) [[User:Amele|Amele]] 21:54, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

Amele: nyaaa <333 ty ty testing [[User:Aquelia|Aquelia]] 22:34, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

== NPC template ==
Suggestion: put the Image Above the Table with the information, add a |thumb| to the image declaration. Otherwise, you get this:
http://wiki.bluegartrls.com/index.php?title=Leonie&diff=prev&oldid=24820
I edited it after that to make it a thumbnail off to the right. I'm withholding adding more NPC's until I know which way it should be. IMO: The page full of blue is fugly.
--[[User:Apelila|Apelila]] 03:19, 25 September 2007 (CDT)

Hey! Thanks for pointing that out D: It didnt even occur to me /braindead. We're fixing it now.
--[[User:Aquelia|Aquelia]] 03:43, 25 September 2007 (CDT)
:Awesome. If that is acceptable then go go NPC adds from me. --[[User:Apelila|Apelila]] 04:02, 25 September 2007 (CDT)

== Area Template ==

Uh, I was wonder if you could add to the template, towards the bottom(but above the last two sections):

<nowiki>==Landmarks found in this Area==

or

==Landmarks==</nowiki>

whatever you think would look best... just something like that.
--[[User:BRP|BRP]] 19:00, 25 September 2007 (CDT)

That works--[[User:BRP|BRP]] 20:20, 25 September 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Goddess

2007-09-26T11:17:17Z

Sixtyonesix: /* Missions */

Testing signature {{User:Goddess/Signature Template}} 21:09, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

== Alexander ==

I was hoping to keep it to two Alexander pages. One for the server and one shared by both lore/avatar facts and the monster. The monster portion would be kept as a spoiler for a most part, under the lore/avatar portion.

Sorry about forgetting to sign my name.
Uh, anyway, I think it would defeat the purpose to have the spoiler be the front page and the other details be behind it... for all avatar pages, I intend on putting some for of mention of their constellation, other areas in the game they are mentioned, and so on. So, yeah, having it something like Alexander/pagename could work, but I believe having the combat stats be that second page would be best(which would be linked from the mission page). This also would mean the page "Alexander (Monster)" wouldn't be needed. --[[User:BRP|BRP]] 19:38, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

Alexander is an avatar despite being unable to summon, in the same way Phoenix is(who has no monster form). The (Avatar) portion of the name is simply to point of the difference between the server and character. --[[User:BRP|BRP]] 19:54, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

== Item Templates ==

Right now Taj and I are going through and getting Semantics to work in conjunction with the item templates. So it's pretty much:

Taj: Do this
TBR: Is it working now
Taj: I dunno
TBR: WTF Sundi?

But we're working it through.

[[User:TheBlackrose|TheBlackrose]] 23:30, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

== D: ==

Do you have AIM? Post it on my comments, and I'll remove it and add it to my AIM list :3 --[[User:Kelvanis|Kelvanis]] 02:40, 25 September 2007 (CDT)

Thanks very much for the improvements to the assault template. -- [[User:Vistani|Vistani]]

Dunno what you wanted to put in the zone.jpg pics in the upper right corner of the assault template, but assuming you were thinking of a pic of the zone itself I thought that these black and white ones would look cool for Leujaoam and Mamool http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/2164/detail.html -- [[User:Vistani|Vistani]]

== Expertise! ==

This is RE: Expertise (You posted on my old talk page on the old wiki). Posted below to recap :):

I could use a little help working with the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions ParserFunctions] on a [[User:Goddess/Template:Merit Table|template]] I'm making for merit points. To process the template I used it in my [[User:Goddess/Sandbox|sandbox]] for testing and comparison.

I'd like to have it so that it will only insert table rows for lines that have parameters assigned. But apparantly '''<td>''' doesn't count as being nested inside a table and therefore transformed into '''&lt;td&gt;'''.. according to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext Wikimedia Help]. I had some futher features to add to it, but didn't want to make it more complicated till I get a good base going.

Also couldn't seem to understand why the #switch was getting parsed outside the table.. I think that's the biggest problem. I figured you might know how to work this out, any ideas? {{User:Goddess/Signature Template}} 11:21, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

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In short... I messed around trying to figure it out myself. Couldn't get it to work (Would have been helpful on my Job Progress template), and gave up.

Did you find anything on it yourself?

Oh, and thanks for the Icon thing... Didn't even know #lc existed. So much for expertise, lol. --[[User:Daniel|Daniel]] 11:09, 25 September 2007 (CDT)

== Missions ==

Standardize what? [http://wiki.bluegartrls.com/Category:Missions] 32 missions compared to 6 and the 6 being all composed by different people. It seems to me that what I have created thus far IS the standard as far as the missions are concerned.

My choices are:

# Complete the rest of the COP missions with the template I have been using against the mods wishes and let someone else edit them all, likely getting barred from editing in the future
# Use the new template making the recent additions not match up with the previous ones and leave the "standardizing" of my previous entries to someone else
# Edit all the previous missions into the new template and essentially redo all the work I've already done
# Stop contributing and remove what I have done so far.

Clicking the (Undo) link on the template page just seems to me like it will require the least amount of effort by everyone involved.

I appreciate all the work everyone puts into this and I really hope it succeeds so I apologize if I came across as a dick. It's already a lot of work for everyone, I'm just trying to lighten the load.

:[[User:Sixtyonesix|Sixtyonesix]] 04:55, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

:It still seems like a lot of unneccesary work for you or me or whoever to edit those pages, all for what amounts to one, 2 line table being moved to the other side of the page. Looking through most of the other templates it appears that either of the mission templates fit into the general scheme of things just fine.

:I just don't see what the new one does that the old one didn't, other than creating several hours worth of work for someone.

:[[User:Sixtyonesix|Sixtyonesix]] 05:30, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

:In light of that last comment, I can see that this project is suffering from a severe case of "Too many Chiefs, not enough Braves" and because of that, I will have to choose option 4 (see above).

:[[User:Sixtyonesix|Sixtyonesix]] 06:17, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

==Breaking Morale and other assaults==
I notice you're moving the notes below the walkthrough. However, the notes are intended to apply to the monster table, not the walkthrough. So it should be moved back up. --[[User:Aurik|Aurik]] 05:34, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

Promathia Mission 7-5

2007-09-26T10:54:39Z