Talk:Inundation

Notes

Just as a note, the "max inundation bonus" stat on the page (12.8) from Camate's post indicates that each 1.2x bonus is multiplicative with the others (15 types, 14 "different types", 1.2^14=12.83).

However, I'm not sure it's possible to have a >8 WS skillchain, so the maximum possible bonus from Inundation is probably 3.6x (1.2^7). --Byrthnoth (talk) 07:07, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

Thought it was a max of 6 step due to the window being far too short at that point, so would be a 2.5x increase? I'll try and get some numbers soon and hopefully someone with better mathematics than me can confirm --Songen (talk) 08:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

The test data below is showing that the bonus is being retained across skillchains, so Camate's math seems to be correct. Maximizing the bonus may be a question of alliance organization, not skillchain length. Although it's not clear if the data is in chronological order, there are 2-step skillchains with +72% SC bonus on both steps.

• Design Discussion - Matsui-P talks about balancing skillchains: Fudo is too strong, let's create a new buff to reward cooperate skillchains. Inundation was going to be a buff named Ardor, a spell from FF12.
• Freshly Picked 18 Digest - Note about skillchaining with multiple players as the requirement for Inundation bonus.

Tried Inundation with self-skillchains using icarus wings. Even if I swapped weapons, there was no bonus skillchain damage. I did SCs with Archery -> Sword and Dagger -> Sword. It's not mentioned in the version update, though Freshly Picked 18 says "When casting Inundation on a monster, you will gain a skillchain damage bonus when multiple players perform skillchains using different weapon types." Inundation's design discussion on the OF mentioned player feedback that 2H self-skillchains like Fudo are too strong. Self-skillchains don't work with Inundation by design, it is not a bug. --Shynoe (talk) 01:03, 9 October 2022 (EDT)

Old new test

New tests (Ignore this spot please) So yeah, I suck at remembering the moment you equip a different weapon type the SC value won't appear on chat log, between the 1hr it took between switching between jobs and trying to get a SC set together along with weapons and macros,then realising the tanking trust is trying to break the SC (Making me have to time it after tricking it into using a WS early) then realising during the start of the fight the DMG is removed from chat, then activating Scoreboard, then realising its tracking everything, then reseting SC's values after the 3rd WS in order to track, This is a bloody pain. F#####################################################K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, now that thats outta the way, my tests are as follow Inundation active Apex Eruca Club -> Sword -> Axe -> dagger -> Gaxe (All WSs are t1 following scission/detonation cycle) no SC gear active on either charactor these numbers are incorrect 4th step WS DMG-> SC DMG results WS 801-SC 1133/WS 543-SC 942/WS 1105- SC 1798/WS 873-SC 1445/WS 507- SC758 5th step WS DMG -> SC DMG results (This was harder to track since it was harder to build tp fast enough within the windows time) WS 1825- SC 3479/WS 1215- SC 2777/WS 996-SC 1897 keeping in mind the SC chart SC chart as reference from SC section of BGwiki 2 3 4 5 6 Level 1 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9 Level 2 0.6 0.75 1.0 1.25 1.5 Level 3 1.0 1.5 1.75 2.0 2.25 Anyone able to do the math? my math for example for 5th step 1825(This is my WS dmg) * 0.8 SC multiplier (1460 SC dmg who want to know) * 2.48 5th step inundation multipler = 3620.8 on my calculator, my final ingame number was 3479 tho *so there is either a problem with my math, or the inundation multiplier or SC multiplier is off somewhere --Songen (talk) 12:42, 9 June 2017 (EDT) My above numbers on the 4th step are incorrect, i forgot magic dmg variable on weapon, gonna have to retest /sigh --Songen (talk) 00:47, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

New new test (I hope i got this right this time)

First thing, skillchain variables check list:
Skillchain damage is determined by eight factors at the moment: (Referenced BG skillchain section)

   *The damage of the action that created the current skillchain (Closing Damage) = (As will be stated in results stated 
further down)
   *The number of Skillchain properties used so far and the current Skillchain level = T1 Scisson (Earth) + T1 Detonation 
(wind) only
   *Skillchain Bonus =0
   *Magic Damage =0
   *Skillchain Damage +% equipment = 0
   *Day/Weather Bonuses (can be forced using Obis) =0 (Thunder/light/dark days. unsure if weather showed up due to being engaged 
 majority of the time however would have been wind or fire (Irrelivent for this SC type) only, and since wind weather causes the 
 mobs (As stated later) to aggro at a further distance, i can assume it didn't appear)
   *Staff Affinity =0
   *iLevel/Resistance Damage Bonus = 0
   *Magic Damage reduction/bonuses of the target (like Shell) = 0 (Mob only uses cocoon for physical defence up (As shown by the 
 frequent low WS dmg).

Trusts, ArkEv, Yoran, Ulmia, Joachim

Weapons, Ipetam (Dagger), Arasy sword +1 (Sword), Purgation (Axe), Aizkora (Great axe), Mafic Cudgel (Club)

Signet or nothing was used to prevent ionis affecting it (If it does in any ways)

No inundation tests (Base SC dmg)

2+3 steps

• Vorpal blade 1486 -> fell cleave 458/Detonation 263 -> Vorpal blade 211/Scission 121 (This might be wrong due to how i wrong it down at the time of testing)
  • 263/263 Detonation (+0%) -> 121/126 Scission (-4%. 0% expected)
• fell cleave 940 -> vorpal 1520/scission 798
  • 798/760 Scission (+5%. 0% expected)
• Vorpal blade 2762 -> Fell cleave 937/Detonation538 -> Vorpal blade 1042/Scission 764
  • 538/538 Detonation (+0%) -> 764/625 Scission (+22%. 0% expected)
• Vorpal 4410 -> Fell cleave 1650/Detonation 1043 -> 979/Scission726
  • 1043/948 Detonation (+10%. 0% expected) -> 726/587 Scission (+24%. 0% expected)

3+4+5 step (Had to omit some of the stuff i wrote down due to it being written badly so ended up with these 2 only)

• Vorpal blade 1656 -> fell cleave 794/Detonation 456 -> Vorpal blade 603/Scission 500 -> Aeolian edge 4473/Detonation 3780
  • 456/456 Detonation (+0%) -> 361/361 Scission (+0%) -> 4473/3600 Detonation (+24%. 0% expected)
• Vorpal blade 1605 -> fell cleave 1393/Detonation 800 -> Vorpal blade 1019/Scission 750 -> Fell cleave 1294/Detonation 1040 -> Aeolian edge 5352/Scission 4495
  • 800/800 Detonation (+0%) -> 750/611 Scission (+22%. 0% expected) -> 1040/1040 Detonation (+0%) -> 4495/4289 (+4.8%. 0% expected)

Inundation active Tests

2 step SC value

• Viper bite 824 --> True strike 1794/Detonation 1237
  • 1237/1031 Detonation (+19.98% bonus)

2+3step SC value

• Viper bite 790 -> True strike 2109/SC 1453 -> Vorpal blade 2287/ SC 2073
  • 1453/1212 Detonation (+19.88%) -> 2073/1372 Scission (+51.11%. 44% expected)
• Viper bite 903 -> Gale Axe 497/ SC 491 -> Vorpal blade 1548/SC 1681
  • 491/285 Detonation (+72.28%) -> 1681/928 Scission (+81.14%. 72.8% expected)
• Viper bite 1420 -> Fell cleave 544/ SC 539 -> Vorpal blade 880/ SC 955
  • 539/375 Detonation (+43.73%) -> 955/528 (+80.87%. 72.8% expected)

4+5step SC value

• True strike 1199 -> Vorpal blade 2773/ SC? -> Gale axe 61/SC ? -> Viper bite 437/SC 662 -> fell cleave 828/ SC 1890
  • ? (+44.0%) -> ? (+72.8%) -> 662/305 Scission (+117.05%. 107.36% expected) -> 1890/761 Detonation (+148.36%)
• True strike 2001 -> Vorpal blade 6474/SC ? -> Gale axe 535/SC ? -> Viper bite 1103/SC 1399 -> fell cleave 1770/SC 3374
  • ? (+20.0%) -> ? (+44.0%) -> 1399/772 Scission (+81.22%. 72.8% expected) -> 3374/1628 Detonation (+107.25%)

Inundation active test with ArkEV contributing

• Viper bite 3085 -> Gale axe 970/SC 2022 -> ArkEv Vorpal 812/Scission 979
  • 2022/557 Detonation (+263.02%) -> 979/487 Scission (+100.01%)
• Vorpal blade 3850 -> True strike 2439/SC ? -> Viper bite 883/SC ? -> Gale axe 302/SC 500 -> ArkEv vorpal blade 1759/SC 3055.
  • ? -> ? -> 500/242 Detonation (+106.61%. 107.36% expected) -> 3055/1407 Scission (+117.13%. 107.36% expected)

I hope these numbers are enough for some final values. anyone able to do the math? ~This was a nightmare to attain between 2 characters and dealing with a trust that likes to get in the way~

- Added SC bonus values in red. The RDM has 5% or 22% skillchain bonus at different times, consistently inconsistent between the baseline and test. --Shynoe (talk) 01:03, 9 October 2022 (EDT)